Gentle Fist skills rework

[Hantegu]

Vacuum palms speed needs to be increased it is too slow especially after doubling its CD it will be so useless. Its a much weaker version of water bullets now. 

Palm bottom needs something different than silence, perhaps a 2 sec slow. Keep the kb range or increase it to 4 tiles. 

Pressure point needle needs to drain bit Chakra per hit OR make it so it adds a defence debuff. The debuff would make all ur GF jutsus stronger whenever u hit a debuffed enemy. 

Rotation should be hold cast now knocking back all enemies and deflecting projectiles. The longer u hold the cast the more Chakra it will drain. 

Mountain crusher was good before this nerf but its OK rn

16 palms needs rework, make it a 2 sec run cast time but increase its range by 1 and make it hit all enemies hit within 3x3 aoe stunning them briefly then silencing them. 

 

Your welcome   @Ueda

[Grimmjow]

Gf players can’t flicker free dmg and run away to rinse and repeat so they ask for buffs to cope. Play the mastery out instead of suggesting dumb changes. 

[Enka]

Pressure point being nerfed to having longer CD is a troll no matter how you look at it.

[Hantegu]

On 4/18/2022 at 10:51 AM, Grimmjow said:

Gf players can’t flicker free dmg and run away to rinse and repeat so they ask for buffs to cope. Play the mastery out instead of suggesting dumb changes. 

Dumb changes? Play it out? I played GF med for the longest and I want Gf to be non flicker reliant. But it's so bad rn it really need a rework. 

[Grimmjow]

17 hours ago, Cosmic said:

Dumb changes? Play it out? I played GF med for the longest and I want Gf to be non flicker reliant. But it's so bad rn it really need a rework. 

It’s wild you think the mastery needs a rework cause of a combo being removed. Your gameplay has been changed from running until cds come up to chasing with z now and playing to cancel. You said your gf/med I don’t get how your having issues when you can stack pressure point needle and chakra scalpel to get around 70 base damage every z. So yes I will say it’s a dumb suggestion and you are in fact coping cause trying to win requires skill for once in a gf account. Also if you think gf is bad you clearly haven’t touched str wm.

[Indra]

Make it a agi based mastery and separate it from taijutsu. This makes more sense for the mastery itself and it fixes solo GF holding swords which makes no sense and go against the mastery design.

The huge goal would be to make it different from tai. Activating gentle fist melee could go slower but make the target lose chakra. The more the agi, bigger the loss. (still needs to be balanced.) 

Take off the push back from abilities and make them silents. Because thats what they are supposed to do honnestly. The 64 palm attack could apply a silent debuff that require the target to charge chakra before getting out of the silent. (programing ahead)

There would be lots of work around it before it works but that sound funnier and more like its supposed to be.

[Hantegu]

6 hours ago, Grimmjow said:

It’s wild you think the mastery needs a rework cause of a combo being removed. Your gameplay has been changed from running until cds come up to chasing with z now and playing to cancel. You said your gf/med I don’t get how your having issues when you can stack pressure point needle and chakra scalpel to get around 70 base damage every z. So yes I will say it’s a dumb suggestion and you are in fact coping cause trying to win requires skill for once in a gf account. Also if you think gf is bad you clearly haven’t touched str wm.

You don't know what you're talking about, clearly you haven't played GF. Against players with a brain you'd never cast both pressure point and chak scalpel that is why GF with a sword is much stronger. But I can  understand that this tactic would work against players your level.

Are you going to say str Wm is worse than Gf? Pure Wm is top tier 1vs1 mastery. Ur a just either a noob or bad at the game perhaps both so refrain from giving feedback on things u have no knowledge of. 

[Grimmjow]

15 hours ago, Cosmic said:

You don't know what you're talking about, clearly you haven't played GF. Against players with a brain you'd never cast both pressure point and chak scalpel that is why GF with a sword is much stronger. But I can  understand that this tactic would work against players your level.

Are you going to say str Wm is worse than Gf? Pure Wm is top tier 1vs1 mastery. Ur a just either a noob or bad at the game perhaps both so refrain from giving feedback on things u have no knowledge of. 

Bro you have no argument at all to what i stated above. let me give you the straight facts your brain cant seem to comprehend about the masteries at this point in time. Gf is not a bad mastery it is fine how it is; Let me reiterate this by going based off why its fine. First Gf has 3 ez to hit cancels along with a somewhat hard to hit cancel being 16 palms. both mountain crusher and palm inflict silence when used along with knocking foes back. Revolving heavens is a 3x3 like lighting current with more base damage and better scaling. You go to say a person with a brain can cancel scalpel and pressure point but you seem to be lacking the brain cells to cast those in front of someone, anyone smart enough will know to wait for their opportunity to get it off as its a 1 second cast time only cancelable by instant casts or cc wpns. Needless to say you made this post immediately after gf got nerfed without giving it a chance saying you could do better but the suggestions you gave are simply not good and just made up on the spot cause you think your half assed ideas are better. 

Now lets take a look at str wm: str wm has one cancel a 1 second WALK cast that is easy to dodge. Str wm has Wild slashes, blade piercing, and Dance of the crescent thats it. thats all the jutsus you'll see ever casted by a wm if that even is the case. So lets compare so far Gf with 3 cancels 2 of them having aoe and Str wm having 1 that is hardly reliable. Pure str wm is only viable because of the stat split allowing you to go a fast swinging sword and 1700 hp thats it. I can guarantee you if you went this build you wouldn't win at all because of how heavily reliant the mastery is on hitting Z. Before you make the case about twins everyone with 70 str can use them and running twins on pure wm isnt good compared to swords that give more pressure like bone, reli, crystal, etc. 
 

Let me finish this by saying quoting something you said " I want Gf to be non flicker reliant. But it's so bad rn it really need a rework. " this whole statement is just wrong and shows you barely know how to play your own mastery. At this moment in time Gf is not flicker reliant at all in fact its in the right direction for it be as far as way as possible. Theres no mastery that can be garbage while all of its jutsu work and have a purpose(unless its int med). 

[Hantegu]

1 hour ago, Grimmjow said:

Bro you have no argument at all to what i stated above. let me give you the straight facts your brain cant seem to comprehend about the masteries at this point in time. Gf is not a bad mastery it is fine how it is; Let me reiterate this by going based off why its fine. First Gf has 3 ez to hit cancels along with a somewhat hard to hit cancel being 16 palms. both mountain crusher and palm inflict silence when used along with knocking foes back. Revolving heavens is a 3x3 like lighting current with more base damage and better scaling. You go to say a person with a brain can cancel scalpel and pressure point but you seem to be lacking the brain cells to cast those in front of someone, anyone smart enough will know to wait for their opportunity to get it off as its a 1 second cast time only cancelable by instant casts or cc wpns. Needless to say you made this post immediately after gf got nerfed without giving it a chance saying you could do better but the suggestions you gave are simply not good and just made up on the spot cause you think your half assed ideas are better. 

Now lets take a look at str wm: str wm has one cancel a 1 second WALK cast that is easy to dodge. Str wm has Wild slashes, blade piercing, and Dance of the crescent thats it. thats all the jutsus you'll see ever casted by a wm if that even is the case. So lets compare so far Gf with 3 cancels 2 of them having aoe and Str wm having 1 that is hardly reliable. Pure str wm is only viable because of the stat split allowing you to go a fast swinging sword and 1700 hp thats it. I can guarantee you if you went this build you wouldn't win at all because of how heavily reliant the mastery is on hitting Z. Before you make the case about twins everyone with 70 str can use them and running twins on pure wm isnt good compared to swords that give more pressure like bone, reli, crystal, etc. 
 

Let me finish this by saying quoting something you said " I want Gf to be non flicker reliant. But it's so bad rn it really need a rework. " this whole statement is just wrong and shows you barely know how to play your own mastery. At this moment in time Gf is not flicker reliant at all in fact its in the right direction for it be as far as way as possible. Theres no mastery that can be garbage while all of its jutsu work and have a purpose(unless its int med). 

Don't bro me, you have not played GF and I can tell. I can also tell that you're some keyboard warrior I bet that's all the skill you got for thinking GF is better than Str wm. " Barely know how to play your own mastery " pls who are u even ? Thank you and don't waste my time.

[Yugure]

All of you shut up 

[Crowlock]

Yall complaining about gfs past op combo, that was unavoidable and stuff, but its not what gf players wanted, it was just bad design. Me myself, when the mastery became flicker canon i hated how dumb and boring it became(ive reset that char) apart from using the same 4-5 jutsus over and over again, u didnt have any weapons(i mean clean gf)to wear cause u cant use any jutsus with them, while others get all the love, hell even int users. Also when u use pressure point buff, when u die its still on cd, so u cant even pop it back after u get revived for x minutes. Which is dumb, it should reset.

Players started mixing with gf with med as an only viable option, but the med jutsus were too good for any mastery, after the changes, ppl went for gf/tai which was also fked up so changes happened again, then GFs turned to gf/WM which is an abomination(lore wise as well, i mean u are a FIST USER not bringing up fuken ninja arsenal with u) totally fked and busted, so changes happened over and over again showing that the design for GF has to change, it was meant to be different i believe, but constant adjustments that dont really work are  just a shout out that it needs a rework, complete rework. 

Theres completely no reason to hate on gf users, when they themselves want the mastery to be reworked idiots, just as much as u do. Not turned into op machine, just more fun to play.