20 Str Fan/Pipe Nerf

[Ichika]

This has been requested by the Nin community for so long so I'm hoping that one day an update will fix this problem. The bubble pipe and fan is intended for Fan users and Bubble users, but players that use elementals/int medic are able to put a small amount of points into Str and gain so much advantage off PvP due to it, to the point where most of the fan/bubble tool users (mainly bubble pipe users due to them having less/weaker weapons than fan) are mainly elementals/int medics. The fact that there's more elementals using a tool that's invented for hidden mastery users shows there's a problem. Many people have complained about it specially Leaf ninjas due to the fact that they don't have a tool that they can use unlike the other villages, and due to the fact that the mist village (for example) has elemental/int med users that majority have pipe tool and tend to spam the snare which leads to snare spam and free/easier combos to land. I've seen some people suggest that Leaf should get a tool for GF but the mastery is already broken/easy as shit to play, plus making more braindead things isn't the best way to balance things out, Which is why I suggest 2 of these options.

 

 

1. Make it so that players can't use elemental/int medic jutsus while having a pipe/fan tool equip, this should be easy to do since this is already added for Gentle fist users not being able to use their jutsus while having a Weapon equipped, This wouldn't completely remove all pipe/fan tool elemental/int medic users but it would be a good nerf.

2. Make it so that when players choose their mastery (Ex: a Sand ninja picks Wind as his mastery) They have to pick between either Int (Wind/Water) or Str (Fan/Bubble) that way they can't learn Str Fan/Bubble jutsus as a Int Wind/Water and vice versa.

Problem with number 1 is it doesn't fully remove the problem, but it's a good nerf that might end up making some players drop their pipe/fan weapon.

Problem with number 2 is some people tend to enjoy elemental/str hybrids (when I mean hybrids I mean ACUTAL hybrids not people w 20 Str) so they would lose out on mastery combinations that would at least cause them to risk their stats far more than a regular 20 str tool user.

 

I'd honestly stick with option 1 for now since it's an easy add on but anyone can throw in a better suggestion if they can since it's an open topic. As for Gentle Fist this post right here explains a good nerf for it, so Gentle Fist nerf suggestions can go in that topic as well. 

Shout out to @Black Rain for the post idea.

 

 

[Furiia]

I think the easiest way is Blocking Pipe/Fan to str > Gf not being able to use swords/less scale dmg > Tornado run cast/higher str req and vacuum buffed to no selfstun plus 1st sphere stunning 

[LionGod]

7 minutes ago, Furiia said:

I think the easiest way is Blocking Pipe/Fan to str > Gf not being able to use swords/less scale dmg > Tornado run cast/higher str req and vacuum buffed to no selfstun plus 1st sphere stunning 

agree with that vacuum buff

[Ichika]

5 minutes ago, Furiia said:

I think the easiest way is Blocking Pipe/Fan to str > Gf not being able to use swords/less scale dmg > Tornado run cast/higher str req and vacuum buffed to no selfstun plus 1st sphere stunning 

I think Tornado is fine as long as only STR fan users can use it, not the 20 str elemental users

[LionGod]

43 minutes ago, Akuma Silberrose said:

sphere is fine as is but do think nado run cast might make it actually more useful and less flicker abuse friendly if we don't get tool locks/nerfs

Sphere not good as it is imo it needs a small buff which could be stunning on the first long enough for the rest to hit which makes it more skill based and not mastery based

[Noxious]

Good suggestion, don't like the fan bit cause there are people who would possibly do a str fan earth or w/e element combo and already have int wind picked being unable too switch between both.  #nerf pipe! 

[Nik]

Good suggestion but Rory already said 2 years ago that stuff like bubble pipe and fan wouldn't be touched again. Instead, give Leaf a weapon to balance it out. Flicker kunai. Here's how it would work.

>Icon Flying Raijin Kunai
>Give it to leaf as weapon xd
>Every melee is a flicker to your opponent

@Ichika

[Drusilla]

At the end of the day yall can make as much suggestion , tips,  etc we only have one person i repeat one! person who can implement yall ideas and ive seen these post for over a year now about the changes to pipe, masteries and nothing has been done so yea folks take the hint and let it be.

 

[Elegy]

I agree 100%. 20 str weapons are way overtuned at the moment for how little investment they require. Compare them to pkunai and it makes no sense why they have more power than most 70str weapons.

[Desecration]

On 5/20/2021 at 9:10 PM, Ichika said:

This has been requested by the Nin community for so long so I'm hoping that one day an update will fix this problem. The bubble pipe and fan is intended for Fan users and Bubble users, but players that use elementals/int medic are able to put a small amount of points into Str and gain so much advantage off PvP due to it, to the point where most of the fan/bubble tool users (mainly bubble pipe users due to them having less/weaker weapons than fan) are mainly elementals/int medics. The fact that there's more elementals using a tool that's invented for hidden mastery users shows there's a problem. Many people have complained about it specially Leaf ninjas due to the fact that they don't have a tool that they can use unlike the other villages, and due to the fact that the mist village (for example) has elemental/int med users that majority have pipe tool and tend to spam the snare which leads to snare spam and free/easier combos to land. I've seen some people suggest that Leaf should get a tool for GF but the mastery is already broken/easy as shit to play, plus making more braindead things isn't the best way to balance things out, Which is why I suggest 2 of these options.

 

 

1. Make it so that players can't use elemental/int medic jutsus while having a pipe/fan tool equip, this should be easy to do since this is already added for Gentle fist users not being able to use their jutsus while having a Weapon equipped, This wouldn't completely remove all pipe/fan tool elemental/int medic users but it would be a good nerf.

2. Make it so that when players choose their mastery (Ex: a Sand ninja picks Wind as his mastery) They have to pick between either Int (Wind/Water) or Str (Fan/Bubble) that way they can't learn Str Fan/Bubble jutsus as a Int Wind/Water and vice versa.

Problem with number 1 is it doesn't fully remove the problem, but it's a good nerf that might end up making some players drop their pipe/fan weapon.

Problem with number 2 is some people tend to enjoy elemental/str hybrids (when I mean hybrids I mean ACUTAL hybrids not people w 20 Str) so they would lose out on mastery combinations that would at least cause them to risk their stats far more than a regular 20 str tool user.

 

I'd honestly stick with option 1 for now since it's an easy add on but anyone can throw in a better suggestion if they can since it's an open topic. As for Gentle Fist this post right here explains a good nerf for it, so Gentle Fist nerf suggestions can go in that topic as well. 

Shout out to @Black Rain for the post idea.

 

 

20str wind hybrid isnt that big of a problem, it's not op or broken lmfaooo, eversince the vaccuum nerf there is no need to nerf it, pipe could use a small nerf tho

[Ichika]

35 minutes ago, Mizxry said:

20str wind hybrid isnt that big of a problem, it's not op or broken lmfaooo, eversince the vaccuum nerf there is no need to nerf it, pipe could use a small nerf tho

Doesn’t matter it’s not suppose to be intended for elementals using it like that in the first place, if it’s not that broken or doesn’t change much in terms of pvp then my suggestion should be fine, it don’t hurt