12G buff

[Itachi Uchiha]

EDIT: ALL REFERENCES OF +50 FORTITUDE ARE CHANGED TO +40. There was a discussion in Nin Discord and good points were made to have it at 40 instead of 50.

 

Suggestion: 12 guardian buff would be +50 fortitude from the sash and nothing else. Just converts all stat points to our health which pushes 12 guardian's RP as monk defenders, not assault specialists. 

Since the buff can be compared to the akatsuki buffs ONLY by the fact that they are both raw stat points, it makes sense to make this comparison: The akatsuki buff: +25 to all stats. This includes damage stats, chakra, and health. Most akatsuki members will benefit only from 3 stats (+75 usable stat points) but hybrids benefit from 4 stats (+100 stat points). They don't have the protection of a village so I absolutely agree with the design choice to make them a stronger org buff than twelve guardians which has a village backing them. 12G would have +50 usable points whereas akatsuki would have 75-100.

 

Why does 12G need a buff?

12G needs a buff because +10 in all stats is laughable. Puppet brigade gets massive puppets that are immortal and shoot waves that can mow down an army in 1 lucky wave.

Akatsuki gets 125 stat points, and 75-100 usable points.

Seven swordsmen get very hard hitting swords with amazing affects like AOE snares and long range stuns in ADDITION to raw stat points.

12G gets +10 to every stat. How is that fair? The argument of "Numbers is your buff." Is not a fair argument to make as leaf, for one thing, is not the largest village anymore. And secondly, if sand was always the largest village would their puppet have 250 hp and not have a wave? That doesn't make sense. 

12G badly needs a buff. I know I just joined the org so people will say I'm biased. But I've been in every org except 7sm, but have had extensive practice fighting 7SM in addition to fighting as an ally, and thus I can say that 12G is SEVERELY lacking comparatively. 

[Zabu]

i think 50 stat points in fortitude would make leaf incredibly annoying to kill since you already have 10% chance of coming back up in a war. I do agree 12 g needs a buff, but i think this is overtuned. + 15 into every stat would make more sense, because leaf also have the biggest org member limit

[Itachi Uchiha]

1 minute ago, Nightmare said:

i think 50 stat points in fortitude would make leaf incredibly annoying to kill since you already have 10% chance of coming back up in a war. I do agree 12 g needs a buff, but i think this is overtuned. + 15 into every stat would make more sense, because leaf also have the biggest org member limit

I see your point and like the idea of it. But in practice it isn't as strong. Perhaps +40 fortitude would be better? We would be losing 10 usable stat points than we have now, but it would be more focused.

[Zabu]

i was also thinking that as a substitute. 40 sounds more fair yall better not run 3k hp builds though i stg

 

[Itachi Uchiha]

7 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

i was also thinking that as a substitute. 40 sounds more fair yall better not run 3k hp builds though i stg

 

As I said in discord (For the record here) the maximum viable HP for any level 60 is 1500 HP, unless you are a wm or a tai user and then max viable would be about 1700. So with +40 fortitude (400 HP) the typical guardian would have an average of 1600-2000 hp without the added benefit of extra damage or chakra. That seems quite reasonable to me.

[The Avatar]

50 stat points to fortitude, juat ain't it brother. Leaf already has unbearable Numbers. That plus  50 + fort would just be broken to them

[Itachi Uchiha]

1 minute ago, The Avatar said:

50 stat points to fortitude, juat ain't it brother. Leaf already has unbearable Numbers. That plus  50 + fort would just be broken to them

Yeah, I updated the topic to +40 instead due to good points being made in Nin discord. And Leaf no longer has those unbearable numbers you speak of. We lost a LOT of players due to the heavy influx of Brazilians switching to their new server.

[Anna Primal]

i think +25 to the one stat the players can chose that stat

[The Avatar]

3 hours ago, ana primal said:

i think +25 to the one stat the players can chose that stat

Very good idea

 

[Corgee]

12G needs a new jutsu
Itachi bad
@ rory silver when

[Furiia]

40+ 50+ its just broken. max 25+ fort.

[Sukki]

no

[Nagamushi]

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[Lumy]

Comparing village buff to Akatsuki buff is the worst comparison you could do. 

Even though I agree on the fact that PB and 7SM buffs are overtuned for village buffs but in my opinion PB/7SM should be tone down to 12G buff level